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stroths · Last edited by stroths on Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:56 pm; edited 1 time in total

Read on...your flash memory will thank you Smile

A little Background
As many of you know, a thin client is simply a small form factor, low power consumption PC. With that said, they can run any operating system a regular PC can.

Windows XP Embedded (XPe) is a modular version of XP which is optimized for thin clients and flash memory drives. Windows XP (pro or home) is optimized for running on a hard drive.

The problem
Flash memory has a limited amount of writes and throwing a regular copy of XP on it will reduce its lifespan unless you do some tweaks.

The Solution

EWF
The first thing you want to do is install the Enhanced Write Filter (EWF) which comes standard on Windows XPe.

Here's a link with details. I'll go into more detail later, but wanted to at least get the awareness started.

http://www.aspireoneuser.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=833&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=80#p32293

Other Tweaks
Check out the link below for other tweaks you should perform
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=37047&p=1

My Results
I've been running my t5710 (512mb RAM, 1GB flash) with a nlited version of XP pro for a while now and its very stable. With a full copy of XP, I don't have to worry about a MJ update breaking something because I'm missing a component like XPe often does. NOTE: Unless you really want to do some research and work, I wouldn't suggest a 1gb drive for regular XP. Get at least a 2gb to make your life easier.

I also have a t5720 (1gb RAM, 2GB Flash) that I run a nlited HP OEM version of XP Pro. After installing the tweaks above, it was a night and day difference.
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ret27m · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject:

I dont have a usb dvd drive how do I get XP on my MJ? I do have a 2gb and a 4gb thumb/usb drive, I also have an external usb hard drive, I have a ligit copy XP Pro. Thanks...Jim

stroths · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject:

I have a USB CDROM, so I used that, but you can do it with what you currently have.

Read this article for instructions

http://www.eeeguides.com/2007/11/installing-windows-xp-from-usb-thumb.html

Keep in mind that you need a large enough internal flash drive to handle XP. I would suggest a minimum of a Transcend 2GB flash module. I managed to do it on a 1gb, but it wasn't easy and I had to cut a lot out.
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ret27m · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject:

stroths

I just upgraded to 2gbF 1gbR, I wanna run XP Pro BAD, BTW is it normal for my T5710 to show " 00 " in the bios for ram? Its running fine with the new upgrades.
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stroths · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject:

ret27m,

The 5710 doesn't necessarily like 1GB of ram. I read in the thread below that it depends on what motherboard you have in your 5710.

http://www.magicjacksupport.com/t5710-1-2ghz-has-two-flavor-cpu-s-which-is-yours-t3278.html

I would say that if it works and XPe boots to show you have that much ram I wouldn't worry about the bios reading that. HP probably did not program your BIOS with 1gb ram in mind.

You might also download a copy of memtest86 and make sure everything is good on your RAM to be on the safe side.
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ret27m · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject:

Just did the mem test and it passed with flying colors, also windows shows 1gb, my MJ runs WAY faster since I put in the 1gb stick.

I have the TM8600, I was told that Mushkin 1gb sticks work in the T5710 w/TM8600 and a few other brands work but I guess the T5710 is pretty picky. I was just a bit suprised to see "00" in the bios.

I took the 1gb plunge after reading the thread you just listed.
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HolmanGT · Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:13 am Post subject:

ret27m,

On the memory display issue in the Bios, I have just learned to ignore it so I can't say if it works with some mother boards or not. But if Stroths says it does, who are we as mere mortals to debate the maestro. Besides once booted to windows everything there reports it and uses it correctly.

But I would make sure you have the latest bios Rev. installed. It is a simple from windows install and does not wipe out any or your OS configuration settings.

PS - I have noticed that there are some 5710 that have a manufactured date of June (or close to that) 2005 which overlaps some of the T5700 Mfg dates, these early T5710(s) may be the offenders. What is the Mfg date on yours just out of curiosity.

Also on what memory will work, it is my observation that PNY "Ultima" PC2700 SODIMMS will work in the T5700, T5710 and T5720. They are hard to find at a low price but you can rest assured that if you buy one "it will work". Caveat; I have never used anything larger than 512 in a T5700 so I can't speak to that issue but a 512 PC2700 PNY SODIMM will work in a T5700, 10 or 20.
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gilfres · MagicJack Newbie Joined: 12 Jan 2009 Posts: 4

I'm trying to install a legal full copy of xp professional in a hp t5710 with 512 mb ram and a 4gb flash dom.

Because I don't have a usb cd-rom, I follow the instruction from this website
http://www.eeeguides.com/2007/11/installing-windows-xp-from-usb-thumb.html

to create a usb installation usb stick. I put the stick in the thin client and is start loading. I got 2 option, if i choose the GUI option I got corruct hall. If I start the text option I got the following error: bootinfo.inf could not be loaded, error code 14.

How you guys had been installed the full version of xp profession in the HP t5710 using a usb flash stick?

I would appreciate your response.

HolmanGT

stroths · Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:06 pm Post subject:

About a year ago, I bought an external USB enclosure for a laptop hard drive. I use this for all my installs because its portable and runs off the USB power.

You might consider buying one off ebay or somewhere cheap. Any external cdrom will work. You can even get an enclosure for a regular 5.25 bay cd/dvd drive.

They also make adapters that plug into the back of a hard drive or a CD/DVD drive. I bought one for about $15 from Fry's a while back and it has a laptop connector, SATA and IDE port so you can plug a variety of drives into it. On the other end is a USB cable so you can make about any drive portable.

I've never tried to install XP off a USB stick, so I can't really help there.
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HolmanGT · Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: Disappointment !!!

"I've never tried to install XP off a USB stick, so I can't really help there."

Stoths, my hero by his own admission just went down in flames. Now who the heck am I to look up to. Laughing

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stroths · Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:35 am Post subject: Re: Disappointment !!!

HolmanGT · Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:37 am Post subject:

Stroths,

That "Holman" guy sure hates disappointment doesn't he. Crying or Very sad

I'll bet his wife thinks he is a real pain in the arse, but I seem to remember him telling me that was one of the reason his wife left him - he just never could take "we'll see" or "No" for an answer. But that is definitely not a topic for this forum, even if the Admin does let us get away with quit a bit of off topic conversations. Embarassed

Besides I knew if I put you on the spot Mr. Stroths you would come up with something.
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VaHam · Dan Should Pay Me Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Posts: 835

Never tried playing with full up versions here so I'll have to stick to the "playing dead" part here Laughing

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gilfres · MagicJack Newbie Joined: 12 Jan 2009 Posts: 4

Thank Stroths

I don't know if the usb size has to do anything, but looking the gui version I found out that PEtoUSB work only up to 2gb usb stick.

The gui version allow to create the usb installation with stick bigger than 2gb, I will try this version to see if this work.

Gilberto